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Anomalies in the calculations of the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron

Posted in physics anomalies by Scott Locklin on February 19, 2023

People regularly send me Alexander Unzicker videos. He’s a grouch and gadfly of similar timber. Unlike me Unzicker seems to have remained a professional physicist of some kind, or at least he seems to identify as such, which if you believe modern knuckleheads, should be good enough for him to be taken at face value. He’s written a  book warning of physics gambling its credibility away. I haven’t read it, more or less because I don’t think physics has much credibility left, at least other than among the type of people who somehow manage to remain enthusiastic 1950s style Science Fiction fans who think the future is right around the corner. I think Unzicker has come to his conclusions fairly recently, though he appears to be a guy who has always tried to get to the bottom of things based on his publications. I am guessing he’s dismissed as an outsider by the physics community, but he appears to be a bright guy, and he certainly knows more field theory than I do. I haven’t seen more than a couple of his videos, but have enjoyed the ones I’ve seen. This one got me to read a couple of amusing papers:

You can watch it or not; it’s based on the work of a gentleman by the name of Oliver Consa. Consa’s paper is a quick read (quicker than watching the video, at least for me: I absolutely despise how much time podcasts waste –only the bapcast is worth the time), though it must have involved painstaking scholarship over the course of many months in a good physics library. It’s an important topic: that of the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron.

History lesson time, all larval physicists take a course on quantum mechanics and they solve the Schroedinger equation for the the spectrum of the hydrogen atom: there are closed form solutions with Spherical harmonics and Laguerre polynomials. The spin and angular momentum of the electron is sort of folded in space around the central potential of the proton of the nucleus, and you get answers which are more or less the energy levels of hydrogen. You basically can’t do this closed form trick with any other atoms without making all kinds of approximations (OK fine, you can kinda do lower levels of the helium spectra with higher dimensional spherical harmonics, treating the two electrons as one in a higher dimensional space), but it’s such a beautiful result, it makes for great indoctrination for young fizzy-cysts. We then use the basic ideas developed here to solve all kinds of other atomic and scattering problems.

Later in your coursework you slap on some relativistic corrections called “fine structure” they tell you comes from the Dirac equation which you may or may not eventually fool around with, but which everyone should. You chug along and make corrections to the spectrum of hydrogen bringing it in greater agreement with the observed values. At some point they mention something called the Lamb shift, which, since it is small, is called “hyperfine structure.” It is related to the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron mentioned in the title. You can see that it’s proportional to various spin orbit couplings, and so you more or less concentrate on those, perhaps getting a bit of inadvertent group theory on SU(2). They tell you that this further correction has something to do with the quantization of the electromagnetic field itself. You then go on to forget all this and do something else unless you’re an atomic guy (like me) or a particle guy.

If you’re a particle guy, or an atom jockey getting above his station, you will eventually get to the dreaded course on quantum electrodynamics (QED): this is the so-called second quantization where the fields themselves are quantized. The Dirac/Schroedinger equations are matter quantization -the fields remain classical and continuous. I won’t bore you with the hocus-pocus that goes on here, but if you make it through your course (Itzykson and Zuber for me -I assume some other text is now canonical since my $120-in-the-90s book is now $21 from Dover) you eventually run up against something that literally everyone knows is nonsense called “renormalization.” In renormalization you do some ridiculous thing where you subtract one infinity from another done in a special way which just happens to produce the “correct” answer. When you come up against it, if you have any thumos, you will say “hey this sure looks like bullshit; you’d give me a D on a test if I thought that up on my own.” If your professor has any soul, he will agree with you. You then both shrug and move on, assuming that people more intelligent than you have done the work and think it is OK. Nobel prizes have been handed out for this, which, after all, somehow gives the “right” answer. One of the things about this course is that any nontrivial calculation is  astoundingly complicated; involving pages and pages of solution of differential equations, Greens functions, trace formulas and probably other things I’ve forgotten. You go on to do a couple of simple Feynman diagrams in the course, then either stop thinking about it (me) or continue with this baloney and become some kinda particle weirdo who should probably all neck themselves for the shame of it at this point, assuming they haven’t found gainful employment outside the particle physics communitay.

With that preamble in mind, and keeping in mind my coursework of almost 30 years ago is all I have to go on for this subject, I present to you this aforementioned work of Oliver Consa. You see, there is an old saw that QED is the most precisely verified theory in the history of the human race. This is, of course, bullshit for various reasons. One of the most important reasons is the one Consa covers; one I was dimly aware of -that the theorists have always had a hard time getting it right in their calculations, and often got it “right” in lock step with experimental errors; aka they got the same errors as the experimentalists did, meaning, more or less, they cheated at their homework. I knew this had happened; it also happened with the charge to mass ratio of the electron: Millikan reported an incorrect result and subsequent results were …. closer to his erroneous result and only crept towards the true result sequentially. People are chickenshit to publish stuff which contradicts established results. Also people with experience notice theorists are often over-eager to get the “right” answer -my own thesis advisor had a theorist collaborator (famous dude) who borked up a paper “explaining” some experimental results in a similarly embarrassing way.

It turns out the theorists for this allegedly ultra-precise theory have gotten the right answer almost exactly never, at least according to Consa’s scholarship. This I hadn’t realized. It looked like a jolly game of whack a mole where the experimentalists would come up with a new number, after discovering the secretary left the toaster on while performing the experiment or whatever, the theorists would claim to match the number and tell some shaggy dog story about how someone else checked their unpublishably long work and “no you can’t see it; maybe we’ll publish it one day.” Really: that’s how it happened. In fact, that’s happened any number of times and for all I know is still happening. The analytic results we accept as true are partially unpublished, and the people who did the original calculation are long dead. The precision claim rings pretty hollow when it changes every couple of years based on what the latest experimental results are.

“Look how big my brain is!”

I mention the didactic indoctrination that all physicists take above for an important reason. Pretty much every living physicist goes through that: a sort of psychological initiation or indoctrination. It’s how we are formed into physicists. To be clear, you go through 5 years of this crap, culminating in the quantum field theory: the thing done by “the important people” in the physics department. Feynman did it! We all love Feynman! It’s all presented to you as beautiful, inevitable even. Lots of physics really is beautiful and looks inevitable in hindsight, but QED and the rest of the standard model certainly ain’t: it’s a disgusting trash fire of nerds painting over errors and sawing off things that don’t fit together. It is hard to deal with, and only people of a certain kind of intelligence are able to do so in all its gory details. Such people are more like  medieval theologians than actual physicists with insight into, you know, physics: the science of matter.

If America were to fight a real war with flying saucers or the Chinese or whatever where we’d need to make actual progress, would we ask the “wicked smaht” field theorists or even the slightly practical experimental particle physics guys to help? I mean, assuming we wanted to actually win the thing. The particle dorks ain’t what they used to be: Feynman made real contributions to the War effort, even though he may have led us all down a useless rat hole with QED. I’m trying to imagine someone from current year field theory working on industrial production problems, or even coming up with something like neutron cross section heuristics using human calculators: having a hard time imagining it TBH. Working mechanical or electrical engineers: no problem. Working field theorists: absolutely not.

I think Consa gets the sociology right in the preamble: in the mid-late 1940s, American physicists were masters of the universe for having come up with nuclear weapons, the Loran navigation system, the proximity fuze and radar. Their prestige was unmatched and the money began to flow from the federal government in ways it never had before. At this moment in time, high energy physics became a racket: the field theorists were top of the pops for this. They had to come up with some kind of answers: it wasn’t possible to not know what the answer was -billions of dollars in research funding and thousands of jobs were at stake.  The guys who won the Nobel for QED more or less had to be right to justify the business. They themselves figured they were just showing the outlines of something better that would come later on; something without all the renormalization baloney and 90 page long calculations. That later thing never came about, so we’re stuck with this Nobel prize winning turkey. I think Consa works on some alternative to QED, which is a noble and brave, and probably necessary thing to do. He’s not the only person to notice this stuff; a trivial google turns up other examples of rather important people noticing.

Even when I was in grad school in the 90s, it seemed like high energy experimental physics should have been taken out back and shot like ole yeller. People working on it were usually bureaucrats tossed into a meat grinder: working preposterous hours and doing things not remotely recognizable as science for the payoff of getting your name on some ridiculous paper with 5000 “authors.” There was the fumes of a certain cachet to the field, but it was obvious back then only a fool would do this to themselves as a career. It’s not clear to me how the field will eventually die, but die it should.

Even assuming it’s broadly correct, field theory itself is absurdly abstract and intellectually impotent, autistically going over the same glasperlenspeil ideas of the last 75 years rather than attempting something new. This is a statement rather beyond my previous sneerings at noodle theory: the whole broad category of “field theorists” and high energy physicists appear to be morally and intellectually bankrupt. Even assuming the field theory I learned in school is correct in some sense, and all these calculational blunders are a kind of progress or were illusory somehow: it is a subject irrelevant to virtually all of the practically observable world, quite unlike something such as quantum mechanics, special relativity and other 100 year old “modern” physics ideas which have numerous real world consequences we use daily. Second quantization is essentially irrelevant; some weird lines in the hydrogen atom -that’s it. The promise of physics is that sperging out on something like hyperfine structure in atomic spectra (or mesonic spectra or whatever) is going to each us useful things about the rest of the world, possibly bringing some other kinds of benefit or at least a deeper understanding of matter and the universe. The archetypical unified field theory was the theory of electricity and magnetism which brought preposterously huge increases in both human understanding and power over nature; almost immediately. Quantum field theory has done no such thing and seems unable to do such a thing. Unless it changes radically it will never do such a thing. At best it’s a glorified IQ test; though a double humped one -people who continue to do it after graduation certainly seem to exhibit a certain kind of stupidity.

 

 

I think a lot of the problem with this sort of thing is …. the process described above. By the time you’ve begun to master something like field theory, even at a low Itzykson-Zuber level like I did, you’re subsumed in sunk cost. Doing these calculations is hard; even solving simple Feynman diagrams makes you feel pretty damn clever: you’re just like the big boys of history. The problem is, what if those big boys were dead wrong? There’s plenty of historical precedent for large groups of intellectual workers wandering off on intellectual branches that don’t make any sense due to incorrect abstractions. Kabbalah, numerology, Marxist economics, Prolog constraint solvers, astrology, alchemy, the fountain of youth, Atlantis: these sorts of clownish bullshit are the norms for human beings, and actual physics done by men of power like Poincare is the exceptional weird thing that sometimes, apparently fairly rarely happens. Countless fortunes and lives of many thousands of very talented people were wasted on, say, alchemy. It is becoming clear that the same can be said for various forms of quantum field theory and “standard model” as an intellectual enterprise.

I mean, OK I get it, I’m one of the first people to make such an assertion in a strong way, and I’m just some guy. It seems pretty crazy with all those smart people “study hard differential equation” that none of the high profile ones could also come to the conclusion, though Unzicker and Consa (and Hossenfelder I think) certainly seem coming around to this. I could be wrong! Surely all this looks very suspicious. I know there are a few former field theorist types in my readership: feel free to tell me this is bullshit and Consa’s scholarship is wrong.

Putting aside these specifics, and the fact that all of these QED measurements boil down to measuring the fine structure constant – a number which would be there without QED, which it after all predates QED by a couple of decades: it’s something that turns up naturally in the presence of quantum mechanics of electric field related things.  If I were still in the game I wouldn’t look for particle soup “tests” of QED: those people are involved in a bureaucracy folie a deux with theorist nerds. A more potentially precise measurement, to say nothing of a more potentially relevant measurement, might be something like the Casimir effect, or other solid state test of QED. There are a few of these tests out there for various forms of Casimir effect. If they’re not looking for an anomaly they won’t find one, but that’s where I’d look. This also has the benefit of bringing ideas from QED into the relevant physical world of matter. Theoretically you should be able to do stuff with MEMS or other forms of lithography. Heck you could probably also do something with very macroscopic objects like Fabry-Perot cavities, Wheatstone bridges and cantilevers. I’m not going to think about this for long enough to make concrete suggestions or try to build something in my machine shop. For one thing, I have better things to do. For another there are people out there who make a living at this shit, and it’s what they should be doing if they weren’t chicken-hearted poltroons or unimaginative bureaucratic goblins. Further investigations of Casimir is even a relatively low-risk career move: you’re going to get something out of it by pulling 2nd quantization into the macroscopic world.  Maybe some adventurous person outside the degenerate welfare-queen anglosphere will figure it out.

Edit add (Mar 14 2023): this is a really cool recent measurement, not at all done in a particle physics way. No word on whether or not the theorists are adding digits: https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.13084

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  1. nathanmagneticresonance said, on February 19, 2023 at 4:56 pm

    Since you’ve watched Unzicker and read the Consa paper and seem to be mostly in agreement with them, you may be interested in exploring some of J.P. Wesley’s work as well.

    For anyone who is interested in really understanding the root of the problem, I recommend this paper: https://nathanrapport.files.wordpress.com/2022/08/classical_doppler_michelson_morley.pdf

  2. Wayne R McKinney said, on February 19, 2023 at 5:30 pm

    This is a good one. Having post-doced for a famous high energy physicist, and personally known many of them I offer my estimation of what I will display the hubris to define as Wayne’s constant. The ratio of scumbags in the field to decent hewmans. ~=20.

    • Scott Locklin said, on February 19, 2023 at 6:26 pm

      I had a talented pal, former marine so a certain way of expressing himself, who worked with a famous high energy physics guy (in the 90s before we met). “Waste of skin” is how he was described. Maybe they all were? Who knows.

  3. toastedposts said, on February 19, 2023 at 5:34 pm

    I remember this mathematical result that if you have a divergent sum of an infinite series, you can make it add up to literally any number (either that, or you get an infinite discrete series of numbers, but I thought it was a continuum) just by juggling the terms around. (I’d have to look up where I was reading about this, but I did a few sums of my own and got tons of different answers in 2018). That’s what it means when mathemeticians object to these things being treated as meaningful quantities. In this case it’s not math-spergery, it’s an important point.

    This gives you knobs to turn in something like renormalization that you really shouldn’t have. And turning those knobs can get you whatever-ridiculous-degree-of-precision they claim for anomalous magnetic moments.

    I see you’re read the Consa paper.

    • toastedposts said, on February 19, 2023 at 6:44 pm

      (watching the video): I guess Dyson scoops me on this observation. I was reading some other particle guy years ago who, after taking his QFT course, went on a 25 page rant about how he didn’t spend a decade learning math and physics to insert shims all over his calculations, and deliberately do nonsense sums, to make them “come out right”.

  4. toastedposts said, on February 19, 2023 at 5:44 pm

    One thing that bugs me about quantum field theory is that quantization in field theory is just bolted on. It’s imposed on the theory, not a result of some kind of dynamics.

    It seems like a step backwards from Schrodinger coming up with a good dynamic reason for there to be quantization of energy levels in an atom: In the Schrodinger picture, it comes out of wave mechanics, the same way the discrete tones of an organ pipe come out of wave mechanics.

    String theory appears, just by the plain lack of anything touching reality, to be on the wrong track. Still, to have an explanatory theory of “why particles”, and “why these particles”, you would need some kind of system where particles arise as a dynamic consequence, not as something imposed on the theory.

  5. Abelard Lindsey said, on February 19, 2023 at 5:54 pm

    There are two kinds of people in this world. QM people and GR people. I am definitely a GR person.

  6. toastedposts said, on February 19, 2023 at 5:58 pm

    I really like the MIT oil droplet experiments:

    Maybe it doesn’t get us all of the way there, but here is a system that naturally evolves both wave mechanics and “particles”. It more or less “does” Bohmian mechanics. Planck’s constant in this world would be related to the agitation frequency and the oil density. It’s also not the sort of thing you’d come up with on any first pass at a theory, since I think the fundamental dynamics of droplet formation are pretty nonlinear.

    • Scott Locklin said, on February 19, 2023 at 8:53 pm

      Schroedinger equation encapsulates all this: it’s just wave mechanics. The things that Bohm worried about might not have been important, at least if Jaynes was right. But even if he wasn’t right Bohm was a weirdo and was probably sperging out about the wrong thing. He gets points for being the outsider with the big idea that (still) might be right, but he was no Poincare.

  7. GlaucousNoise said, on February 19, 2023 at 6:17 pm

    I don’t think Feynman deserves the blame for this one. His path integral technique is one of the most intriguing discoveries in physics, especially in the non-relativistic case. It is a legitimate contribution all its own, its influence on quantum field theory notwithstanding.

    The toxic spore that infected everything he was working on was birthed by a one Niels Bohr.

    At least, that’s what my intuition tells me after working in simulation of quantum effects in nonlinear optical and semiconductor devices for a few years now. I’m not quite smart enough to say for sure, or what exactly the alternative should be.

    But the need to identify and enforce some set of states on a problem seems to be a plague that damages virtually every attempt at simulating a quantum system, be it a path integral, density functional approach, Green’s function, or density matrix (or something else entirely). Sooner or later, exponential blow ups and infinities crop up somewhere, and in every case that seems to be the link.

    Like I implied though, that’s above my pay grade to figure out. One of these noodle head grad students needs to dig back into old literature about path integrals, I think the correct answer lies there. Maybe also dig all the way back to geometrical optics, there was a vast literature on the subject full of surprising overlaps (e.g. the fact that the Eikonal equation can be derived in the same way as Bohmian mechanics, more or less, or the fact that a solution to the classical electromagnetic wave equation can be written as a Feynman path integral in certain cases.)

    • Scott Locklin said, on February 19, 2023 at 6:31 pm

      If you read the paper and buy the argument, he and Schwinger kinda do deserve opprobrium for it. Dyson who was as responsible for the results as anyone (no Nobel for the non-doctorate holder), basically checked out of QED because he thought it was a mess.

      You can put aside any animosity to quantum mechanics for this one. The QED guys consistently failed as scientists to do anything but numerology on this one; it shouldn’t be a model theory, it should be laughed at. If Consa’s historical details are correct; they really never got it right. It was always a sort of group madness.

      • GlaucousNoise said, on February 22, 2023 at 2:29 pm

        I guess I have a soft spot for St. Feynman given how conceptually interesting his path integrals are.

        Then again, they are largely a failure outside of high energy, and anything deemed success in high energy is probably failure by any other standard.

        My experience with QED in the quantum optics context certainly has left me with great distaste for it; try modeling a proper, non-equilibrium, real-time process using QED and compare it to an analogous, classical EM problem and the former just seems to be a kind of mental illness expressed in mathematical form.

        • Scott Locklin said, on February 22, 2023 at 3:05 pm

          Love the sinner, hate the sin.

          I like path integrals also. Was probably Dirac’s idea, brought to perfection by Feynman tho:

          Click to access Dirac33.pdf

          • Chiral3 said, on February 22, 2023 at 7:01 pm

            The IT guy at Colombia recently had some interesting things to say about path integrals in response to some quanta pablum.

            https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/

            • Scott Locklin said, on February 22, 2023 at 8:46 pm

              For the historical record:
              https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=13319
              https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=13367

              I mean, his criticisms are basically that the 2nd quantization has a hard time in this context, needing some kinda papered over bullshit to succeed. It has a hard time, period, afaik, if we believe Consa above. Whether or not it plays well with Chern Simons is above my paygrade: I think it’s clear that foray didn’t work out. Path integrals seem fine with plain old first quantization which is the only thing that matters (OK fine I don’t remember if it works with relativistic first quantization).

              He also seems to have a hard time with contour integrals in general unless I am misunderstanding him. I mean the first time I calculated a weird integral through 1/0 using the method of residues I thought it was a bit fruity too. On the other hand I thoroughly believe in Cauchy and Mittag-Leffler 19th century math more than I believe in QED as an adequate theory, let along the noodle bullshit he’s talking about.

              • chiral3 said, on February 23, 2023 at 2:55 am

                Thank you for organizing the links, I was lazy. I think the big point is around the need for imaginary time. In other words, the math dictates the physics, assuming the physics isn’t too offensive. Dirac factored an equation and Anderson found the thing, which was great physics. Similarly the path integral has this pesky quadratic but it’s more unsettling because of what happened next.

                Just getting through all of your references and Consa now… yes, absolutely. This was a big discussion even back in grad school. The general gripe from students jockeying greens functions and propagators being that mathematics is the language of physics, yahhda yahhda, but we do math with divergent series, collect $200, and pass go. This isn’t like 1-1+1-1+… stuff, it’s more divergent. But, in this case, it was ok to ignore the math because there was some experiments that, supposedly, confirmed the low energy limits, which was a fancy way of saying “don’t look behind this curtain”. There was so much pressure to “shut up and calculate”, succeeding in that, and an almost religious belief that all these Nobel laureates that came before me were smarter than us all and we needed to trust them. Years later, in finance, after seeing the nth interviewee derive Black-Scholes, slopping past the limit theorems, it occurred to me that I was witnessing institutionalized semiosis-cum-memetics. I saw this somewhat in GR – but it really was a bitch not using Einstein summation and “index gymnastics” with those calcs. But Feynman diagrams fit the bill. Highly rehearsed signaling via symbol manipulation with very little physical intuition or motivation behind the calcs to prove that one could recreate a result.

                Makes me want to be a zen buddhist and not care in the zenist sense about any cosmogony.

                • woodshayashi said, on February 23, 2023 at 3:06 am

                  If the last few years have taught us anything it’s that in every domain the Emperor wears no clothes, while pissing on your head and telling you it’s raining.
                  A plurality of people are waking up to this, so stay optimistic.

                • Scott Locklin said, on February 23, 2023 at 12:38 pm

                  Electrical engineers don’t seem to have a problem with complex time, I don’t know why physicists or mathematicians do. It’s just a convenient way of organizing phase. Since you’re talking about a wave theory of matter you need to deal with phase somehow (reminder: matter wave shit comes from experiment). As pointed out with the Horgan thing, you can rewrite Schroedinger without complex time: it just makes your life suck when you do. Presumably you can write down Feynman path integrals in terms of quaternions if it really bothers you to use sqrt(-1), but you’ll probably convert it back to complex time when you have to get the answer. Anyway maybe it’s a real problem and I’m just a dimwit, but I like my complex numbers.

                  The way I was presented field theory and group theory and everything else, when I look back on it, was as indoctrinating as joining the army or whatever. We’re all bright and eager kids looking to make our marks one way or another; we get shown all this neat stuff and work our asses off to master it. They could have showed us anything mathematical and we’d have gobbled it up trying to prove ourselves. FDAX told me he’d never hire a physics graduate FWIIW, and I’ve come to more or less agree with this. Engineers aren’t as fucked in the head.

  8. toastedposts said, on February 19, 2023 at 7:27 pm

    It seems like civilizations get wrapped around sunk cost fallacies in their models of the world. It reminds me somewhat of the medieval obsession with Aristotle. For a few centuries, all observations supported Aristotle, because everyone forgot the ones that didn’t, because obviously Aristotle was right and anyone objecting was a heretic.

    Today, all observations support some elaboration of the standard model, because obviously the standard model is right, and you can never go backwards to some simpler model that tries to grasp better something that was never properly understood.

    Kuhn is an academic airhead, and his paradigm model *shouldn’t* have anything to do with how honest men attempting to understand the world do things.

    The 100 years of experimental results are valuable information about the way the world works, but treating those as lending authority to a dominant theoretical framework, in whose shadow no alternative can grow is an obvious pathology.

    Occasionally you need asteroid strikes to kill off the “dinosaurs” so something new can grow?

    • toastedposts said, on February 19, 2023 at 7:56 pm

      Isaac Newton was an important figure, but no one got cultish about his accomplishments. When he butted heads with the French optics guys about the nature of light, they went with Airy and Fresnel: Obvious wave stuff was going on, Newton was wrong, and civilization moved on in the pursuit of understanding without hiccups.

      People get culty though around Niels Bohr and Heisenberg. There was a marked philosophical/metaphysical agenda and it was pushed politically, long before any of the “justifying results” showed up to bolster their antirealism. And it seems people got culty about QFT. There’s an inversion, where reproducing the theory becomes the important thing.

      I remember reading this book by Freud. About maybe 20% of the book was actually written by Freud. The remainder was some ridiculously elongated forwards and afterwards, where people would apply his theories, extend them, explicate them, etc etc. Some poor pomo-major bastards spent years of their life thinking Freud’s thoughts, long after he was dead. Freud was under no such constraints: He spun out elaborate theories of psychology based on nothing more than his personal experience.

      The people who become cult-nuclei have no problem with originating their own original thinking. The people who condense around the cult-nucleus though basically oppose originality. They don’t feel they have the right to originate their own thoughts: Everything must be referred back to the originator and his worldview. They also don’t believe you have any right to originate your own thoughts. If it doesn’t come from the master, it’s *morally* wrong.

      This is probably why human history is such a dismal record of essentially human fax machines making dutiful photocopies of cultural knowledge, but not *originating* any of it. I don’t know why people don’t believe they have the right to come up with their own model of reality, write their own books, tell their own stories. It’s really very sad.

      • toastedposts said, on February 19, 2023 at 8:08 pm

        Nevermind – getting my history wrong with Newton – need to look up the actual events

      • Scott Locklin said, on February 19, 2023 at 9:08 pm

        Freud is an interesting character. I almost married a nice jewish girl (because I’m the kind of person I am, she was a SAW gunner on a Stryker armored vehicle in Iraq) in my early 30s, and became convinced from meeting her family that Freud was absolutely right: but only about upper middle class jewish people. If you’re around a lot of upper middle class jewish people and are a solipsist, which most people are, I could easily contemplate thinking this generalizes to humanity. Especially if you’re a psychotherapist: almost everyone I know who goes to a shrink is an upper middle class professional jewish person or the type of person who hangs around a lot of people like that. Freud’s observations are almost incredibly astute. The problem is they’re also really anti-semitic, and nobody can admit this.

        Similarly, you can look at numerous branches of physics as having weird ethnic components that end up something like Freudianism: unfalsifiable piffle which is touted by people obviously more clever than you. Appropos yesterday’s anon comment, there can be a sort of ethnic component to part of it. Also a group madness. There are ways to prevent this: you need to salt the field with pricks like me (but smarter) who will speak up and call out the nonsense. As St. Mencken puts it:

        “The liberation of the human mind has never been furthered by dunderheads; it has been furthered by gay fellows who heaved dead cats into sanctuaries and then went roistering down the highways of the world, proving to all men that doubt, after all, was safe-that the god in the sanctuary was finite in his power and hence a fraud. One horse-laugh is worth ten thousand syllogisms. It is not only more effective; it is also vastly more intelligent.”

        BTW my late pal Marty met Heisenberg when he was old (H not M) and said he was kind of a mess as far as precise thinking goes. He did seem like a very great physicist, but like Newton it might have only been for a very short time in his life. It’s a depressing thought; maybe you can only be smart for a few months like Newton was!

  9. Brutus said, on February 19, 2023 at 9:01 pm

    Back in the 80s and 90s, a few physicists and electrical engineers argued that Maxwell’s equations needed a change to properly explain wave propagation in material media. In the version that I understand, this involved adding a magnetic current term (as a displacement current – no monopoles needed) to the equations. I believe one of the advocates of this approach, Henning Harmuth, argued that renormalization is not needed when these equations are quantized.
    See https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8520234 and https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=ca3d8f33dc3036d6ec9b7e37d4651c1748a8b96c

    • Scott Locklin said, on February 19, 2023 at 9:22 pm

      I definitely remember the name but I can’t be arsed to try to remember why people stopped paying attention to him. Classical E&M is a rich set of theories, and I could imagine it having alternative formulations which nobody thinks about any more which solve all kinds of weird pending problems. Carver Mead seemed to think it was good enough to describe all of quantum mechanics (I confess I don’t understand his book and gave it away at some point).

      When you look at Whittaker’s book on theories of electricity and magnetism it’s obvious Maxwell’s clarifying theory wasn’t necessarily the end. Hell it wasn’t even in notation modern people would recognize. But we did kind of stop there, because it was so satisfying. There was some whacky cult of free energy enthusiasts who insisted that there were extra sort of stress energy tensor/quaternion terms in the OG Maxwell papers -for all I know they were right, I never actually looked into it.

      Thanks for mentioning! Maybe I read it on the toilet one of these days.

  10. Igor Bukanov said, on February 19, 2023 at 9:15 pm

    It is interesting how Feynman in his Nobel lecture spent a lot of time not on QED, but on stuff he worked as a student. It was an alternative approach to the classical electrodynamics. It was possible to reformulate its equations to eliminate electromagnetic field and just assume that electrons and other charged particles simply acted on each other.

    In that approach the light is an artifact of a particular model and does not exist in reality. At the end we never observe photons, only interactions among charged particles. So why do we assume that the light is there in the first place?

    The catch was that it was necessary to assume that charged particles on each other both on in future and the past to get into the agreement with the classical equation predictions. If one wanted to avoid that backward causation, then the light was necessary.

    But the big advantage was that there were much less problematic infinite values. So Feynman spent some time with attempts to produce a quantum version of the theory. He failed and went with QED, but he described how that lightless approach gave him a lot of ideas on how to deal with infinitives. In particular, details of his approach how to cancel those in QED came from those attempts.

    That lecture explained to me why Feynman liked to talk how a positron was an electron traveling back in time or that it could be just single electron in the universe traveling back and forward in time.

    Still backward causation is a sort of big tabu in modern physics even if at least intuitively it can explain better the experimental results than the standard approach to QM.

    • Scott Locklin said, on February 19, 2023 at 9:24 pm

      I vaguely remember this, and definitely read his Wheeler coauthored paper on this. If you come across the lecture again on youtube, please link it here.

      • Igor Bukanov said, on February 19, 2023 at 9:39 pm

        I do not think that there was a video. But at least the text of Feynman’s lecture is there, https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/1965/feynman/lecture/ with a gems like:

        > That is, I believe there is really no satisfactory quantum electrodynamics, but I’m not sure.

        > Therefore, I think that the renormalization theory is simply a way to sweep the difficulties of the divergences of electrodynamics under the rug. I am, of course, not sure of that.

  11. Anon said, on February 19, 2023 at 11:18 pm

    FWIIW Lubos’ doctoral advisor left noodles behind and is into condensed matter now:

    > The study of quantum gravity, inflation, black hole information, and “string theory”, suffers from the absence of well defined mathematical models, which define the theory in asymptotically flat or de Sitter space in a non-perturbative manner. It also suffers from a lack of contact with experiment, which is not expected to be ameliorated in the near future. Until further data becomes available on supersymmetric particles, dark matter, or finer details of the primordial fluctuation spectrum, these fields will be in the realm of uncontrolled conjecture. 15 years is enough time to spend on them.

    Sauce: https://www.physics.rutgers.edu/people/hpgs/BanksT.html

    • Scott Locklin said, on February 20, 2023 at 12:14 am

      It may surprise you but I don’t think much of Motl. My pal who labored in the same fields said he was sound, but crazy, but I look at those fields as basically nuts, especially in current year.

      He is very funny though.

  12. Woods said, on February 20, 2023 at 6:36 pm

    Never took QED or any physics class, but to the uninitiated it always sounded like bullshit.
    I’ve been fascinated by the theoretical break that occurred around the turn of the 20th century, between people like Einstein and Bohr versus Heaviside and Steinmetz. Maybe it’s my gut feeling that we’ve been going down the wrong path for a 100 years or maybe because Steinmetz is the coolest looking dwarf I’ve ever seen. Either way I’m trying to educate myself on the matter.

    • Scott Locklin said, on February 21, 2023 at 10:18 am

      It’s clear that Western Civilization lost its mind after WW-1. Guys like Schroedinger or Kapitza’s papers, however, retain enough of the 19th century they stand out ridiculously from the kind of mystifying bullshit published in current year.

      It’s the same with Poincare; I’ve been reading his popular book -the one that inspired Einstein and gave him most of his ideas. He talks about non-Euclidean geometry in it. Most popular books make this sound like some kind of abstruse woo when it’s just geometry on the sphere or hyperbola. You read Poincare and you come away with thinking which is more clear. You read pop science by contemporary yabboes and you just feel dumb.

      • Woods said, on February 21, 2023 at 7:15 pm

        The part that’s bothering me the most is where to start. Meaning, if we did turn down the wrong path, at what point was this? I’m reading Steinmetz’s lectures (~1924) reviewing Einstein/Poincare’s Relativity and it just confused me further. Not the math, but the ideological context. Steinmetz was one of the many physicists at the time that believed in the “ether”. In this lecture he then admits that ether must be wrong due to relativity correcting Newtonian mechanics. However, he, along with many of the physicists of the time, still don’t agree that electrons even exist. Since, supposedly, you can fully explain electrical phenomena with magnetic and dielectric fields. Additionally, the idea of a negative charge was rather strange to people at the time.
        IDK (literally). How do we backdate scientific knowledge? If I pick up a modern Physics textbook, everything including the basics will in some way be corrupted by modern endeavors. For the outside observer there seems to be several fundamental assumptions that are taken as gospel, but are almost impossible to verify. Every time I’ve trusted the “authoritative sources” it’s always screwed me over.
        Personally, I would like scientific progress to return back to the individual, garage hobbyist, tinkerer, etc. versus the bureaucratic CERN operator.

        • Chiral3 said, on February 21, 2023 at 9:54 pm

          I’ve always pegged the date to the 1940’s when we said fcuk it on physically-tethered rigor. There was this rush towards the non-abelian gauge theories in the 1950s and the SM in the 1960s (Gell-Man’s Eightfold Way as a harbinger???), and then early strings (1970’s) grew out of the strong work… and TOE egolifts … and the Garret Lisi types (an early example of the new hype that is so common today).

          The macroscopic guys are doing some interesting stuff today that is little more than double slit interferometers and quantum metrology. There’s a company called AOSense that comes to mind. Quantum on the scale of molecules. No noodle theory needed.

          • Scott Locklin said, on February 22, 2023 at 1:04 pm

            Thanks for AOSense mention. Will look into it. I just spent 15 minutes looking for my old mockery of Surfing Einstein and his impostures to realize it was in an old psuedonymous blog I deleted in 2009 or whatever.

            “Know this: I think physics (like many academic disciplines) has been an increasingly corrupt profession since the 1960s, when they converted the Aggie colleges to Universities without creating more smart people. I think String Theory and unification theories in general; are particularly suspect, as they presently are enormous professions which exist without possible experimental tests, which makes them more akin to metaphysics than science. Surfer Dude’s idea is a unification theory (unifying separate theories of physical forces into one theory). To his credit, his idea purports to be testable real soon now (unlike all of String Theory). To his discredit, it hasn’t really been peer reviewed, and so he’s surfed into fame on a lot of media hype. The media is not a credible filter for science of any kind. They seem to have latched onto the guy because, well, he surfs. I know of several other outsider physicists who have made much more interesting and relevant contributions, but who lack countercultural bona fides, and so, are ignored by the media. It’s a lot more sexy to trumpet the idea of a surfing dude, then some obscure translator of russian technical journals, or independently wealthy gentleman ‘heir to fortune of X’ scholars, even if the latter guys have more interesting stuff to say.

            While I haven’t bothered to do more than skim his paper, I’ll go out on a limb and say, “I doubt it,” based on the above. If you want more detailed reasons to doubt it, Lubos Motl has some more technical reasons; For what it is worth, Motl is a crabby String Theorist who dislikes the “gang” that Surfer Dude belongs to, but that doesn’t make him any less right or funny.

            While I blame the 1960s for stuff like this, the early 1930s quantum mechanics were also rotten in their own ways. They were tripped out navel gazers in the tradition of Herman Hesse’s Steppenwolf, or, say, the Surrealists. Since most of them lived near or in the former Austro-Hungarian empire (which had recently dissolved), you can’t blame them for treating physical reality as being something unreal. But there is no reason why we should. That’s not what science is. Science deals with experimental data, and falsifiable ideas. What the quantum gravity/unification people are doing is entirely aesthetically driven. There is no reason gravity should have a quantum theory any more than a ham sandwich should have a quantum theory associated with it. There is no compelling physical phenomenon which compels physicists to be looking into this sort of nonsense. Freeman Dyson said as much in a NYRB article reviewing some noodle theory crank’s popular book. Really, good physics should be motivated by experiment, and most of the crap you hear about is not good physics. It’s either a masturbatory exercise, like this, or noodle theory, or else it is a technological whoop-de-doo, like the trumpeted slowing down of light; (most newspaperman apparently don’t realize that’s how their glasses work, duh).

            • Altitude Zero said, on February 22, 2023 at 6:11 pm

              Great stuff. Feel free to print more stuff from your old blog, I never encountered it.

  13. Chiral3 said, on February 22, 2023 at 1:48 pm

    Surfer dude. Love it. That was around the time when lifestyle became as important, if not more important, than output. What a great example of hype. Maybe driving around in a van covered in diagrams and playing bongos at a strip club preceded this. At least Feynman worked for a living. He had output. Maybe Von Neumann solving preloaded math problems – like a modern quantum computer – at cocktail parties preceded that. Regardless, this has all led to blue hair and gender holography as the strong signal to trump physics’ weak signal.

    Dyson is a good example bc he was non-PhD. I met him at IAS in the 90’s. I think he was accepted because he didn’t offend. He was eminently likable and he didn’t call out BS; he just did his thing.

    The OG AOSense dude isn’t there anymore. His name is Mark Kasevich.

    • Scott Locklin said, on February 22, 2023 at 2:05 pm

      Surfing Einstein sorta like purple hair octonion goth Furey lady:
      https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-octonion-math-that-could-underpin-physics-20180720/
      And I always thought quaternions were kind of cool.

      I envy you meeting Dyson; seems like a nice fellow, and of course a very great physicist, fully equipped with common sense.

      AOSense looks pretty neat. Cold atoms were exciting to me back in the 90s with the triumphs of Chu, Phillips and Cohen-Tannoudji (also Aspect’s Anderson localization gizmo and the numerous other cold atom experiments), though I could never cadge a research group working on them (briefly worked on cold excitons). This sort of firm is definitely worthy of a lot more attention than fusion research startups or the latest quantum computing frauds. Of course they require expensive capital investment, actual talent beyond programmer goofballs and they don’t promise dumb hockey stick returns.

      • Chiral3 said, on February 22, 2023 at 2:53 pm

        C, Q, H, are very cool.

        I thought that their work was very interesting.

        • woodshayashi said, on February 23, 2023 at 3:16 am

          For anyone interested: I’ve been going through Unzicker’s presentations. This one in particular caught my eye (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfOqCnq4q-c).
          While discussing the possibilities that unit quaternions could explain electromagnetic phenomena, he cites a book called A History of the Theories of Aether & Electricity (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486261263).

          • Scott Locklin said, on February 23, 2023 at 12:02 pm

            Whittaker’s book is excellent and I actually just mentioned it the other day in comment below/

            The quaternion idea is an old one, and (notice me mentioning quaternions above also! ) the fact that Maxwell wrote down his equations in quaternion form ought to be better known. The video is interesting; I knew quanternions and SU(2) were basically the same thing. I had to skim though; his interlocutor is correct to tell him to hurry up and stop shilling his book.

      • Lev said, on February 23, 2023 at 2:06 pm

        The geometric algebra folks make Quaternions seem pretty simple, so I find it a bit strange when people start tooting the horn of some new magic number system that will reveal the secret easter egg structure of the universe.
        Quaternions are cool as long as you don’t go babbling about 4D spheres and such.

        • Scott Locklin said, on February 23, 2023 at 4:14 pm

          As I said, Maxwell used them. Quaternions not purple hair octonion ones.

  14. Daniel said, on February 23, 2023 at 2:06 am

    Reading your article on the state of physics and watching the videos, especially the one by Hossenfelder, I wonder if the simplest answer isn’t that the science of physics is coming to an end. There was never any guarantee of infinite progress leading to Warp Drives. That has always been an article of faith. Maybe the wrong turns and bad science aren’t temporary but are what the end looks like? A kind of senility.

    My own field, software, is basically moribund as well. Nothing of any real interest has happened for decades, perhaps since the 1970s when Parc Place invented almost everything we still use today–except now with more ads and spyware. I expect those in other fields see the same.

    When belief in Progress does collapse, as is already happening, it will be a monumental cultural shift. To what I don’t know but I wouldn’t be surprised to see an actual Adeptus Mechanicus emerge–Hacker News is halfway there already. Let us now consult the sacred Peer-Reviewed Journal Articles…

    • Scott Locklin said, on February 23, 2023 at 1:27 pm

      People periodically say crap like this, and are wrong. I think theoretical high energy physics is a raging dumpster fire, and experimental high energy physics is worthless pyramid building basically because it became a sort of racket. BTW, noodle theorist and quantum computing dipshits have joined forces and are now writing papers about wormholes, because I guess what they were doing before wasn’t fraudulent enough. There are very obvious places where someone, even a lone individual can make progress in physics. Hell just dealing better with simple phenomena that obviously have order but are poorly understood: vortexes in fluid mechanics for example could change everything. If you believe some of the wacky stuff I’ve been presenting to you, quantum entanglement, classical E&M, second quantization are all up for grabs for ambitious experimentalists or theorists. That’s barely scratching the surface.

      All this high minded discussion of physics may have blinded you to the fact that I, too, work with computard. My second to the last startup involved helping my partner (Kevin Lawler) write an interpreter which was significantly faster than any compiler on the types of problems we were interested in (HFT problems). We both figure with an adequate compiled language (we used C) we could go another 5-10x faster on existing hardware. Might even get that from being clever in C in an interpreted language that prevents people from doing stupid things. Just knowing about POSIX and the fact that memory has a much slower clock than CPU will get you factors of 10 or 100: it’s preposterous. Does that sound like a field which is finished? And that’s just programming languages! Of course the chip manufacturers have basically stopped producing better CPUs in the ’10s, which is why we have to run neural atrocities on GPUs. Another area ripe for innovation.

      People who still have faith in progress as a sort of Christian heresy are presently adopting strange gods (wokeism and its allies): if they can’t have flying cars, they’ll make due with expensive solar panels made by third world peasants, blue hair dye, maybe a transgender toddler and a shelf full of “meds” to deal with the cognitive dissonance. I think this is a disaster and source of much current year human suffering, and at some point will lead to civil war, pogroms and worse. This social class of clerks has to be dealt with one way or another. Social engineering them to be more overt bureaucrats and giving them a cod-religion isn’t workout out real well so far. If they continue down this path, the future is bleak.

      This machine-technics will end with the Faustian civilization and one day will lie in fragments, forgotten — our railways and steamships as dead as the Roman roads and the Chinese wall, our giant cities and skyscrapers in ruins like old Memphis and Babylon. The history of this technics is fast drawing to its inevitable close.. It will be eaten up from within, like the grand forms of any and every Culture. When, and in what fashion, we know not.

      There’s a lot of reasons the lack of progress is happening, but ultimately what it boils down to, the types of people who actually push things forward are a defeated tribe. The upside is, it’s entirely a social problem. People like Elon are able to make at least modest progress in technology; that should be something that can be done in all fields. Of course, the present form of the sciences will be radically different: I doubt as we can expect much from the universities any more, for example. They’re done for, possibly for good.

      • Daniel said, on February 25, 2023 at 1:35 pm

        Progress in science depends entirely on a social foundation (a “social problem” as you say). That social foundation is one of integrity and, let’s just say it, virtue. This includes honesty, incorruptibility, and even a certain amount of humility–ability to acknowledge when one is wrong. When this social foundation crumbles, progress in science necessarily crumbles along with it. And this is exactly what we are watching unfold in real time. If you cannot trust that research results are not outright fabrications or fraud, then that is the end.

        Your example of a massive compiler improvement is laudable and undoubtedly very good work. But when you ask, “Does that sound like a field which is finished?” I must unfortunately say “Yes, it does.” To be fair, my idea of progress in computer science likely differs from yours. The pioneers of the 1960s (see “The Mother of All Demos”) and 1970s (like Alan Kay) had the idea that computers would be assistants that helped us be more rational, knowledgeable, and clear-thinking. The technology they developed was to support this vision. Today this seems corny and alien. But this doesn’t reflect badly on them, it reflects badly on us. Improvements in performance are certainly welcome but they do not represent progress toward the pioneer’s goals, goals which have been abandoned.

        I completely agree with your diagnosis of the current cultural environment. What Elon is doing with SpaceX is a indeed a candle in the darkness. When I see, however, what SpaceX is going through with the FAA to get permission to launch its new rocket, it’s not hard to imagine such permission becoming impossible–because of “the environment” or whatever. I do expect some kind of engineering to continue and agree that whatever form science takes in the future will be radically different. If we are lucky we may see a return of the amateur.

        If you still doubt my pessimistic view, you need only read the journal articles quoted by “Real Peer Review” on Twitter. Therein lies absolute and incontrovertible proof of what I am claiming.

        • Scott Locklin said, on February 25, 2023 at 2:10 pm

          I used to like “Real Peer Review” but it looks like it’s been distracted from its mission by eceleb gibbering. Of course I used to live in Berkeley and worked in the library to escape from the internets so I’m familiar with how stupid everything is.

          I agree of course that “computer science” as a science is quite dead. But it’s not, as you imply in the previous post, because everything is done now. There is much to do; just it’s a lot easier to get tenure based on some group madness fad like “quantum information theory” rather than doing real work.

  15. mitchellporter said, on February 23, 2023 at 10:05 pm

    “feel free to tell me this is bullshit and Consa’s scholarship is wrong.”

    Consa’s attempt to cast doubt on perturbative quantum field theory in the present, by alleging chicanery at the birth of the subject 70 years ago, doesn’t make much sense, because the calculations in question can all be done on computer now, in a few hours or less.

    So apriori he sounds like a crackpot. At best he would be unearthing a historical scandal, of fudging calculations to match experiment, that has nothing to do with the present. But even that much is probably not true.

    So far as I can see, no one has bothered to systematically critique his narrative of events. At reddit he is user “oliverconsa”, and he had a brief exchange with a former field theorist, in a group devoted to discussing “hydrino theory” – that’s the most sustained critical attention to his work, that I have found so far.

    One of the historical protagonists, Schwinger’s student Sommerfield, gave a talk called “Schwingerians”, which covers some of these events. I can’t access the full text, but if you want an alternative narrative to Consa’s, you might start there.

    P.S. As for the alleged intolerability of renormalization, you’ve heard of Ken Wilson and effective field theory, right?

  16. Scott Locklin said, on February 23, 2023 at 11:05 pm

    I mean, apriori crankhood isn’t very interesting here, as I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt: is he wrong or not? Doesn’t seem to be wrong! It does seem damning even if we can now get the “right” answers on a computer.

    I’ve heard of Ken Wilson but I can’t be arsed to google it. Can you show me something I should read?

    • mitchellporter said, on February 24, 2023 at 12:25 am

      About the meaning of renormalization, I’ll just recommend two short essays by Ron Maimon:

      https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/19350/1486

      https://www.quora.com/What-is-renormalization-group-theory/answer/Ron-Maimon

      He cites Wilson’s 1975 paper “The renormalization group”, but it might be better to start with Maimon, since he’s trying to distill the modern rationale of renormalization into something very simple – a scale dependence of properties very similar to the way Mandelbrot’s fractals behave under different coarse-grainings.

      • Scott Locklin said, on February 24, 2023 at 12:44 pm

        There are any number of issues one might take with Maimon’s explanations and his one sentence summaries are egregiously wrong. I am familiar with the use of RGT applied to crap like the Ising model, and the vague hand wavey similarities to how QED works (it is a very vague and unphysical comparison). I still fool around with log periodic power laws and their higher order forms. It is a satisfying explanation to say these things, but I suspect its just a regurgitation of whatever the standard Itzykson-Zuber text is in current year. I&Z never mention condensed matter analogies, presumably because those analogies are baloney and Itzykson and Zuber were more hard-headed people than current year chodes.

        Even if the analogies hold water, this all seems to me a sort of cope: in condensed matter and in high energy both there is an awful lot of inherent curve fitting to experimental result, as documented in egregious fashion by Consa above. Predicting interesting and surprising things for experimentalists to go look at is based and actually physics. Waving your hands over a witch’s brew like RGT and getting the right answer is numerological cope.

        To bring it to a concrete example, my late thesis advisor’s career nadir was publishing a letter to nature or science or whatever the hotness was in the early 00s finding some neat surface science lattice effect predicted by … renormalization group theory. It turns out he had to withdraw the paper because the theorist monkey (very famous name) did the curve fitting part wrong. Mind you, I always thought theorists were clowns: but this is a theorist working very closely with experimentalists who are no-bullshit kind of guys, so he should have been on the side of the angels. Famous curve-fitter guy actually lost his position over this (of course landing on his feet elsewhere): shocking to me, but my boss was a heavy hitter and he was real mad. Surface science isn’t one of those fields where you can bullshit your way around that much, as there are hundreds of men with XPS setups able to check your bullshit math.

        Similarly, while quantum field theory people have some really difficult math problems to solve, and so they seem awfully clever and important, clever and impotent seems more like it. This is why I suggest an actual test of QED. Let’s put it to the torture: measure things predicted by the Lamb shift corrections they offer and see if they apply somewhere radically different. Casimir effect is very different scale, and predicts a large scale force which should be precisely measurable. Should be cheaper and easier doing a precise measurement on two plates or a fruity Fabry Perot etalon than building a new particle accelerator. There may be other tests, but this isn’t my job. Field theorists are literally irrelevant to my life and the lives of anyone else who lives in the corporeal world of matter. While I accept the idea they may be right somehow, I do not accept their grandiose assertions about precision based on …. basically one kind of abstruse experiment, and I don’t think any sane person grounded in physical reality should either.

        • mitchellporter said, on February 26, 2023 at 12:41 am

          I have to restrain myself from spending too much time on this, so let me sum up a few thoughts.

          First, Consa’s whole narrative is so unreliable that it would need to be checked point by point. I don’t mean the numbers that he digs up from the classic papers – hopefully those, at least, are correct – but the way he frames everything. For example, in his brief debate on reddit (still a good place to start if you want a critical perspective on his claims), he says Bethe’s 1947 paper “The Electromagnetic Shift of Energy Levels” contains a “fudge factor” of 17.8 Rydbergs.

          In the 1947 paper, this quantity is said to have been calculated for Bethe by some colleagues. The details aren’t provided and so Consa thinks it was just made up in order to make the ultimate answer turn out right. But a few years later, Bethe coauthored a paper with one of those colleagues, “Numerical Value of the Lamb Shift”, which *does* present a detailed calculation of that quantity. The value obtained differs by a few percent, but does not substantially change the overall prediction. So if we’re auditing the historical record in search of fraud, we actually do have a calculation to scrutinize in this case…

          I would be quite unsurprised if *all* of Consa’s accusations evaporate, upon proper scrutiny. (And this should not be surprising, given how far away his own theoretical musings wander. At the end of his own paper “Helicoidal Model of the Nucleon”, he’s interested in the idea that the nucleus is held together by magnetism!)

          The same is even more clearly the case for the episodes in theoretical development that also pepper his timeline. For example, Dyson proving that the perturbation series for QED diverges. Maybe that confused Dyson and others at the time, but it’s a mathematically known kind of behavior, that certain series converge at first and then diverge. Nowadays people seem to understand this in terms of “trans-series” that have extra nonperturbative terms.

          In the end, the math of renormalization is just like imaginary numbers or infinitesimals, perplexing at first, requiring decades to be worked out, but perfectly legitimate in the end. And it seems you accept at least some of it. If I had time, we’d have to zero in on what your exact objections are. For example, the classification of perturbations into marginal, relevant, and irrelevant – is that valid? To me, that’s part of the “modern” rationale of renormalization due to Kenneth Wilson, yet it’s not mentioned in most QFT textbooks.

          On the other hand, you may also be saying that models based on this kind of math are vulnerable to specific kinds of abuse. Or you may just be saying that high-energy theorists are willing to publish “models” based on utterly tenuous numerology. There’s certainly no doubt about that! Models that get published lie on a spectrum from beautiful, simple, and rigorous, to laughably detached from reality.

          If we had time, I would definitely defend the indispensability of gauge theory and renormalization, even in condensed matter theory. I might bring up Landau theory of symmetry breaking, recent ideas of topological order, quantum Hall effect, alongside topics like second quantization and the Casimir effect. But, not today.

          • Scott Locklin said, on February 26, 2023 at 11:52 am

            I have seen renormalization used a lot: this is to be expected as a lot of people with nothing else to do learned it. A lot of people apply “gender theory” to a lot of things as well. My objection to it boils down to the fact that it doesn’t make predictions about anything, but appears to be an exotic form of curve fitting. I could be wrong: I haven’t thought about it in 30 years other than my thesis advisor’s close encounter with a theorist which was an entirely negative experience. Maybe Fractional Quantum hall is a good example of a successful calculation with renormalization group theory, or maybe it’s curve fitting: certainly it is a post-facto explanation rather than a prediction. Laughlin never mentions it in his prize winning paper; it’s all Schroedinger equation hammer and tongs stuff.

            I didn’t look at Consa’s reddit comments; just the paper. He might be an unreliable interlocutor, but, if he is, finding a mistake in his account ought to be shorter work than reading his reddit comments and poasting paragraphs here. If you find something substantive I’ll happily forget the whole thing, admit I was misled by a crank and feel good about my otherwise useless semester of field theory.

  17. […] find no better chronicler of how physics goes wrong than Scott Locklin (and here). Sabine Hossenfelder (yes, that same Hossenfelder we often tease) also provides us a nice […]

  18. Igor Bukanov said, on February 28, 2023 at 7:45 pm

    Sabine Hossenfelder in her video published just 8 days before this post, https://youtu.be/lu4mH3Hmw2o , thinks that quantum field theorists started to produce garbage in seventies. The Standard Model based on QED was created in sixties and predicted W and Higgs bosons and heavy quarks long before experiments were able to find those.

    So what really happened in seventies in US with all that decline affecting even theoretical physics?

    • Scott Locklin said, on February 28, 2023 at 8:55 pm

      Usury, drugs, generational change, the fact that maybe QED style theories are bullshit, excessive sexual degeneracy: take your pick. I think it went to shit in the 50s and so does Consa above

  19. […] also here and here, for a couple of related blog posts by Scott […]

  20. D. Bronx said, on March 6, 2023 at 11:36 am

    Years ago I listened to this lecture, and it astounded me how bad things are. Way above my pay grade but this post reminded me of it:

    The Philosophic Corruption of Reality/Physics with David Harriman

  21. g.b. said, on March 13, 2023 at 1:40 am

    I’m outta my league here in this crowd, but I just had to share that your takedown of BDSM and porn had me laughing and (trying to) read it out loud to my wife. Thanks for the laughs, and I’ll try to cut back.

  22. Minh said, on October 28, 2023 at 5:23 am

    I’ve found this paper recently that destroys both SR and GR:

    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0031-9112/18/3/003

    It made a ref. to the another one that shows how Einstein was not able to derive the most famous equation associated with his name, E=mc^2:

    https://opg.optica.org/josa/fulltext.cfm?uri=josa-42-8-540&id=50439

    Basically, by implying what he was trying to prove, he was able to prove E=mc^2. And looks like for the rest of his life, Einstein was never able to prove this equation, either.

    In case the 2 papers are not accessible, I’ve reposted them here:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zb0u3656uq20n18q6doyq/WHAT-IS-WRONG-WITH-RELATIVITY-Brown-1981.pdf?rlkey=6fks62rerp42hriekjue9acl2&dl=0

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/x2wjffo9w3vzr9wdr6rug/Derivation-of-the-Mass-Energy-Relation-Ives-1952-einstein-wrong.pdf?rlkey=klcm7ouudmrjy35zhzbq6o1d9&dl=0

    One of the deep-rooted problems is, Einstein based his SR on the assumptions that ether doesn’t exist, and then found out he needed ether for his GR. He also didn’t realize one of his foundations, Maxwell’s equations, were based on the assumption that ether was present, field was a thing (rather than just a math obj), and electron didn’t exist. The result of Einstein’s intellectual confusion was, the 2 relativity theories were incompatible from the start. But the deepest problem, is, neither SR nor GR were based on any known physical phenomena. Rather, they’re based on hypotheses, like Poincare’s relativity theory, which was unproven/unobservable, and then the whole SR/GR’s mathematical hodgepodge got interpreted (force-fitted) in a physical light. The end result of all this: a century of mass confusion and endless debates, with illegitimate offsprings the likes of QED.

    The first paper goes into great detail about how non-physical the two theories are, whose explanation I find very convincing, esp. the way it totally demolishes SR’s time-dilation with the clock example, and the principle of equivalence, one main pillar of GR, by pointing out that inertial mass and gravitational mass (as they’re defined by GR) are not equivalent, while gravitational field is just a mathematical convenience, not anything real. It also shows how the Lorentz transform existed way before SR (1887), and therefore, had no need for SR to make it valid.

    Personally, I also find Minkowski’s 4 dimensional space-time coordinate another piece of unphysical garbage, because it implies the future also exists already as a point in the coordinate system. Utter nonsense typical of senseless mathematicians. The bending of spacetime is another piece of delusional fiction.

    Since QED has its root in the trash that is Relativity theory, it’s by necessary a stillborn since conception, and everything flows downstream from there. All the mathematical nonsense smuggled in to justify its existence is just a sad, pathetic example of what happens when one tries to do physics without any physics, a classic case of how mathematics has ruined physics in the last century, when maths got its status undeservingly elevated from being just a calculational tool into a thought paradigm per se, a horrific consequence of the the Positivists’ earlier influence.

    I maintain that Einstein was an otherwise smart and wise man, at least that’s the way he was when he got older, as evident in his thoughts and letters to say, Max Born. But his most famous creation, was twisted from the start, and with it, all the fraud of 20th century’s theoretical physics.

    I like the overall, implied spirit of the first paper’s author: the only physics is experimental physics.

    • Scott Locklin said, on October 28, 2023 at 9:23 am

      Special Relativity is directly derivable from Maxwell, which definitely doesn’t have any aether idea baked into it, and which we know experimentally doesn’t exist. I’ve verified these things personally; they’re not difficult to do. Mass energy is also in Maxwells equations.

      His rants on the primacy of experiment are entertaining and I’m more sympathetic to them.

      • Minh said, on October 29, 2023 at 11:46 pm

        I know Maxwell’s equations predicting the constancy of light speed, but I’m not aware of Mass Energy relation or equivalence in them; I could be wrong so pls point out if you have more info on this. Maxwell’s equations are just mathematical summaries of Faraday’s electromagnetism, so they’re by necessity macroscopic in nature. Field and wave for example, are just mathematical averaging of the cumulative microscopic interactions/effects. Maxwell’s fields and waves were also underpinned by the assumed existence of aether, which was nullified by Michelson-Morley experiment. That’s where Einstein’s confusion was. He tried to mix-match a macroscopic, wave and field model of EM with a microscopic, particulate one that came with the discovery of electron in 1897 and the quantum effect in 1900. There’s no proof/evidence that Maxwell/Faraday’s EM model can be applied at that scale, as they’re devised much earlier and were simply not aware of those developments. He also denied aether in his SRT, but based SRT partly on Maxwellian mechanics which required aether to explain its phenomena. The end result was SRT being a confusing mess, as thoroughly debunked point by point by Brown. E=mc^2 for ex, can never have anything to do with Maxwellian, because it’s microscopic physics, not statistical averaging on a macroscopic level like the latter.

        If you read the 2nd paper, it’s not Einstein, but Einstein’s editor and supportive friend, Planck, that was the first one to derive E=mc^2!! Whereas, Einstein’s attempt to derive it suffered from fatal mistakes and was totally illegitimate. So if history was written correctly, it should have been Planck’s E=mc^2. Interestingly, in the book “Planck: Driven by Vision, Broken by War”, it also mentioned that Boltzmann’s constant was also derived by Planck, not by Boltzmann, as previously thought. Planck’s contribution to modern physics therefore, seems to be a lot more substantial than widely known and is severely understated. I personally think Einstein, as a person, was smarter than Planck, but physics wise, he contributed more to confusion than enlightenment.

        I haven’t managed to get my hands on this particular paper of Planck’s derivation, but from what I’ve found so far, it was also based on assumption of fictitious forces, so not 100% satisfying. That must be why Einstein spent the rest of his life trying to thoroughly prove E=mc^2, only to be hanged each and every time. Einstein’s thought-experimental devices in SRT and GR, after all, were totally unrealistic concoctions, which is to say, they’re not scientific, but fictional. In reality, the validity of these reductionist thought experiments, even if they could be built (they could not), will most likely be strangled at birth by unknown but ubiquitous multi-body effects.

        Needless to say, with both SRT and GR nothing but fiction — fiction written in the pretentiously rigorous language of mathematics, but fiction nonetheless, anything that’s born out of them, like QED, can have no legitimacy at all. Any attempt to patch one hole will open several new ones, like Buffett once said when referring to troubled companies’ problems: There’s never just one cockroach in the kitchen :)) .

        • Scott Locklin said, on October 30, 2023 at 8:04 am

          SR is fine. It’s obviously true, and Einstein’s explanation of it is both satisfying and correct which is one of numerous reasons why he is considered one of the all time greats. E=mc^2 is the first term in a series expansion for energy of pretty much anything in kinematics. You can find it in any E&M or classical mechanics book. Everyone who studies physics learns to do this in their junior year.

          GR is interesting, widely accepted, fits the data, and possibly not true. It’s accepted because it fits the data and starts from the same place as SR.

          There is zero reference to any aether in Maxwell’s equations. Sort of like there is no reference to dork matter in any of the present field theories.


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